Thanks to Taylor Swift herself, we now know a big revelation about her and Travis Kelce that we didn’t before.

In her Time Person of the Year interview, the singer/songwriter revealed that after Kelce mentioned trying to give his number to her back in July, they “started hanging out right after that.”

That would mean they had maybe a couple of months before the news started to leak that they were seeing each other. And that, in turn, has fans combing through old clips from the New Heights podcast and landed on this one from September in which Kelce talked his love life with his sister-in-law Kylie and brother Jason:

 

There’s a lot of smirking about Kylie saying, “you’re doing great on your own” with a look from Jason. If everyone had that knowledge at the time, it’s delightful.