Emily Ratajkowski recently talked to Troye Sivan on her podcast High Low With EmRata about her journey to Taylor Swift fandom, and it’s a doozy. The model said she was never into Taylor’s music until an ex helped change her mind. She even went to one of Taylor’s shows on the Eras Tour and had a really good time.

“I kind of grew up [with] a little snobbery around my generation. I wasn’t somebody who listened to pop music a ton,” Emily said.

She brought up a conversation she had with one of her exes in which they were “talking about [how] just because something’s popular doesn’t mean that it isn’t excellent.”

“Actually, a lot of times the things that are popular are actually just incredibly good,” she continued on.

Emily explained how she eventually came to the light: “I came around. It changed it for me completely,” she said. “I was not a Swiftie and now I’m like, ‘You know what that means? That means I was a misogynist that I didn’t fuck with Taylor Swift.’”